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and wayne lapierre of the nra. is this the new gop? the nra is invited, but not conserve tef gay rights groups. >> they are cosmetic changes. but i have to admit, the one that doesn't fit in this whole puzzle is romney. >> they're so confused, internally, that that's going to stumble them going forward. >> jonathan, exclude the conservative gay groups while welcoming people like wayne lapierre, doesn't that send the signal that they're not going to be there? >> i would argue it's the same old republican party. so by them kicking out, go proud, it's sort of the standard m.o. but by keeping out gays and lesbians, by keeping out african americans, the republican party is sealing its fate as a second tear party. and they won't go there because the republican party just isn't welcomed. >> i hope he doesn't need a drink of water while he's speaking. victoria and jonathan, thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks, rev. >> ahead, a powerful story of giving back. a medical doctor who's fighting to hear the city where he grew up. and then, more of my interview today with president obama.
face. alan rich, rick santorum. don't forget wayne lapierre, the kid on the block. and even a curtain call for mitt romney. it doesn't look like the far right's grip on the gop is fading after all. john is a senior adviser to the santorum presidential committee, at least for the last one and roger simon is a pro here at political comments for politico. john, why the same old song, the same old faces? >> well, you know, everybody is talking about this rebranding and they almost this is like money ball where we're supposed to get rid of all our players and bring new players in. the change in marketing terms is not rebranding, it's repositioning. what the republicans did wrong, it wasn't except for a few cases bad messengers, we didn't resonate with the hard-working people around this country. we fight too much for taxpayers for the wealthy, we look like we fight for loopholes for big corporations and we've lost our way fighting for average hard-working blue collar americans. and that's where we have to change. not the players per se. although there are new players like a tim scott from
right now. what about wayne lapierre being a featured speaker? is there an identity when the pro-gun lobby, the second amendment people who believe in idea logically that we've got to have a gun to protect ourselves from a tie ran cal government some kay, is that part of the republican -- i went back and looked at the republican platform. it's all pro nra language. is your party, the republican party now, identified pretty much uniquely with the nra. >> first of all, i would say we're the pro liberty, pro freedom party which i believe is part of what the nra platform is. second of all, if you look at states like pennsylvania, ohio, wisconsin, michigan, where we pick up a lot of democratic votes is on that issue where they do feel that obama and others are coming to take away their gun. that's why gun sales are up all across the country. >> do you think obama is coming to take away somebody's gun? >> well, you explain to me why gun sales are up in all these places, where there are very strong democratic bases. >> i wish you'd answer a simple question. do you as an obviously articulate
. >> stephanie: yeah. that's an interesting -- what do you think, congressman? >> i think wayne lapierre is going to revoke your nra membership for that. but i think you make a very good point, which is the requirements that we have for so many other things we don't apply to guns. the gun industry is treated very differently -- >> stephanie: just look at the seat belt laws, all of that stuff -- it just is incredible where people think you can't have any regulation on guns who's only purpose is to kill right? >> well, yes. well it's also for sport -- >> stephanie: well that's usually killing something. >> or target practice. >> people go for target practice, but you make an interesting point about the way we treat guns differently than other things that are far less dangerous, but now it is just such a struggle to get universal background checks that that's where we ought to put our focus. >> stephanie: you are right. nothing is always -- what does the president always say, let perfect be the enemy of good. this is where we have gotten the bar so low that we go okay if we can get anything. >> yeah
thing is, you've got wayne lapierre. >> yeah. >> who really was a lot closer to where americans are today. >> almost aware. >> than he is right now. because 92% of americans want universal background checks. i think that's coming. >> all right. meanwhile, president obama gained an ally in his efforts to pass new gun legislation in the wake of the newtown shootings. congressman joe heck, republican from nevada, backed universal background checks for firearms saying, quote, i think the idea of background checks across the board, i'm not opposed to them. and i disagree with people who say that this is going to be the first step to gun registration, which leads to gun con physician indication. c con physician >> they go through a background check. and guess what? they're not part of a national registry. >> right. >> nobody's coming to get their guns. the black helicopters around circling their house. nobody's taking their livestock. you can do this. you can make sure that felons can't walk into a gun store or go to a gun show and buy weapons. >> this is one of the points that's been mad
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